Legal Case Summary

AMERICAN PILEDRIVING v. GEOQUIP


Date Argued: Mon Dec 06 2010
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Docket Number: 2598622
Judges:Not available
Duration: 54 minutes
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Case Summary

**Case Summary: American Piledriving Equipment, Inc. v. Geoquip, Inc.** **Docket Number:** 2598622 **Court:** To be determined based on jurisdiction **Date of Decision:** [Insert Date] **Parties Involved:** - **Plaintiff:** American Piledriving Equipment, Inc. - **Defendant:** Geoquip, Inc. **Background:** American Piledriving Equipment, Inc. (Plaintiff) is a company specializing in manufacturing and distributing equipment utilized in the construction and civil engineering sectors. Geoquip, Inc. (Defendant) is engaged in similar industrial activities and is also involved in the design and production of specialty machinery for piling operations. **Factual Overview:** The dispute arose from an alleged breach of contract between the two parties concerning the sale and delivery of piling equipment. Plaintiff claims that Defendant failed to fulfill their contractual obligations, including timely delivery and adhering to agreed-upon specifications. As a result, Plaintiff asserts they suffered financial losses due to project delays and increased operational costs. Defendant, on the other hand, contends that the delays were due to unforeseen circumstances beyond their control and that they complied with the contract's terms. Geoquip also raises defenses concerning the Plaintiff's conduct, arguing that the Plaintiff contributed to the delays. **Legal Issues:** 1. Breach of Contract: Determining whether Defendant failed to meet contractual obligations. 2. Damages: Assessing the financial impact on Plaintiff due to the alleged breach and determining reasonable compensation. 3. Defenses: Evaluating the validity of Defendant’s claims regarding unanticipated circumstances and Plaintiff's contributions to the delays. **Court’s Analysis:** The court reviewed the contract terms, including delivery schedules, specifications, and remedies for breach. It considered evidence presented by both parties, including testimonies, correspondence, and financial records. The court analyzed the circumstances leading to the delays and whether the Defendant's actions constituted a breach of contract. It also evaluated the Plaintiff's claims regarding damages and whether they were reasonable and substantiated. **Ruling:** [Insert Court's Decision Here] **Outcome:** The court ruled in favor of [Plaintiff/Defendant], awarding [specific damages or relief sought, if applicable]. The decision considered the merits of each party's claims, the evidence presented, and the broader implications for contract enforcement in the construction industry. **Significance:** The ruling in American Piledriving Equipment, Inc. v. Geoquip, Inc. underscores the importance of adhering to contractual obligations in industrial transactions and serves as a precedent for similar disputes within the construction sector. --- (Note: Insert specific dates, rulings, and outcome details where indicated, as they may not be available in the public domain.)

AMERICAN PILEDRIVING v. GEOQUIP


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There are argument next in number 2010, 1283 American pile driving against GeoCoup. Now for the advocates, both of you are arguing two cases back to back. The court would propose to you, although we would defer if you feel strongly to the contrary, but we would propose that rather than having us go appellant, appellant, rebuttal in the first case, then appellant, appellant, rebuttal in the second case that we simply consolidate both cases and hear from the appellant first, potentially for the combined amount of time, and then from the appellant on reply. That satisfactory, both of you is probably more efficient way to proceed. Certainly. Very good. That's what we'll do then. So we will hear both 2010, 1283 and 2010, 13, 14, and we will give you potentially 30 minutes if you need us. Hopefully we won't have to take very good. Good morning, Your Honor. Please support Craig Madsen representing American pile driving equipment, Eek, known in the industry as ape. This is one of two of the fields. Now I'm arguing both. Involving the claim scope of US patent number 5355-964 for a vibratory pile driving extracting device. With this type of pile driver, it's a little bit different than what was used in ancient times where you have a hammer pounding on an nail, so to speak. If vibratory hammers, grab the pile and using vibratory force shakes it into the ground. These are used for deep foundational structures, bridges, large buildings, etc. The district court, or both district courts, incorrectly construed the principal term eccentric weight portion to geometrically require that it be distinct from and extend forward from the cylindrical gear portion of the vibratory device. Neither of these limitations are in the claim language at all

. And frankly, in the claim construction word distinct does not appear in either courts construction, but does appear in some regedments by both of the courts where they said, well, what we really meant was that it's distinct. It is not essential that the eccentric weight portion and the cylindrical gear portion be distinct. What is essential is that all of the eccentric weight is considered as part of the eccentric weight portion. Similar to a recent case by this court, which wasn't in the briefs because it was decided on September 21st after the briefs had been submitted, the Long Gill Mask versus Ambu case, 2010-1028 and 1062. The term eccentric weight has a self-describing nature to it. What I would submit is that eccentric weight portion is that portion of the counterweight that contains the eccentric weight. In other words, the unevenly distributed weight of the hammer, which creates what's known as eccentric moment and the eccentric moment determines the amount of vibratory force that this hammer can create. Certainly, the eccentric weight portion should include all of the eccentric weight, whether it's in front of the cylindrical gear portion or a portion of it is behind the front of the cylindrical gear portion. In other words, part of it contained within. Through all of it, certainly. That seems to me that it is reasonable to read the patent as distinguishing between the gear portion and the eccentric weight portion. I think you're honored the cylindrical gear portion by virtue of its very terms. The cylindrical gear portion speaks geometrically to cylindrical, that's geometric, and then gear portion, meaning having the gears around the periphery of that portion of the device. The eccentric weight portion speaks to functionally as opposed to geometrically, and we believe and submit that it should include all of the eccentric moment. There are a number of reasons why. Throughout the patent, the eccentric weight portion is disclosed as positioning the center of gravity of the counterweight. Now, that's important. Positioning the center of gravity of the counterweight away from the rotational axis

. If the center in any of these counterweight, the center of gravity of the counterweight itself is determined by all of the eccentric weight, whether it's in front of the gear or part of the gear. It could be railroad too. It could be railroad. The Virginia court indicated that it could be forward or rearward. That is an instance where you could have the gear in the center and have additional eccentric weight on both sides. Part of the reason why we submit, why the patentee uses the functional terminology of eccentric weight portion is so as not to limit it to any particular geometric shape. There are a number of shapes. You see the eccentric that are essentially wedges. Do you view the eccentric weight portion and the cylindrical gear portion as being mutually exclusive? Absolutely not. The cylindrical gear portion in your view would be what if you take a look at the figure, what's the best figure? The cylindrical gear portion would be the portion that is geometrically described by the front face, which is 96. The rear face, which is 94, that describes the horizontal extent. And then it has the gear teeth around its periphery, so everything that is between those two faces. Everything that is between the two faces is between a vertical line drawn from the edge of the gears. There is a bevel. Are you looking to the face of the gear and calling the bevel within the inner body? There is a bevel in this preferred embodiment. Let's talk about the bevel. Do you regard the cylindrical gear portion as including the bevel? Absolutely. In this embodiment

. The reason for that is that particularly in the accused devices. Well, the accused device doesn't have a bevel. I thought it was what it has. It arguably has what the other side calls a recess on the female gear. The gear does not excel in the bevel. What is it if it is not a bevel? The bevel is aiming. This is not a straight down. Let me ask you then. What do you regard as being the gear cylindrical gear portion of the accused device? Do you include the little ledge as well or is it some construct consisting of the gear portion and vertical lines cutting through the face of the gear that is below the ledge? I understand your question. Given being dealt the claim constructions of the two courts where they say it has to extend forward. Our position is it doesn't have to extend forward. Well, before you get to that, I really want to. The answer would be the face of the cylindrical portion can be the face that is next to the teeth. The protruding eccentric feature which comes off of the, could be extending forward. In other words, the portion of the gear, which is most of the gear body, that goes down from the ledge section on either side. You say is not the part of the gear portion? It's not part of the cylindrical gear portion. If you take that logic to its ultimate conclusion, if you refer back to figure 3v, then why are the two faces of the cylindrical gear, the faces labeled 94 and 96? Why are the faces of two vertical lines, if you will, drawn down from the very top of the beveled gear tooth? In other words, the narrowest part of the gear tooth. You just draw a line down and say, those are the faces

. Everything else is protruding there from. I can't answer that because it's not drawn that way. Could you take that position? You were arguing the same line. You could argue that position given the construction that was the constructions that were given by the district courts. The reason why is that protruding portion, wherever you decide that face is, the protruding portion is eccentric. That's the key here. What comes forward of wherever you draw that line is eccentric. There is more weight in this instance on the bottom than there is on the top. That's true. The rest of the gear is well. That is our position, is that the eccentric weight portion and the cylindrical gear portion can have common structure. As a result, the district courts have found that they must be distinct. There is no line saying that it's distinct here. The only sentence that was cited by the court to bring this distinct and extending from into the claim language is found. In column 5, where it's describing this preferred embodied, as best column 5 lines 17 and forward. As best seen in figures 3A and 3B, the gear portion 41 of the counterweight is substantially cylindrical and has a rear face, 94, a front face, 96. And a plurality of U-T-98 around its perimeter. That defines this particular preferred embodied

. The eccentric weight portion of the counterweight, which is formed integral with the gear portion, it says it's formed integral with the gear portion, extends forward from the front face of the gear portion. The gear portion has a weight distribution with less weight provided by a top portion and more weight provided by a bottom portion. It says right there that the cylindrical gear portion is eccentric. But it does seem to suggest that the discussion about an eccentric portion is something other than the gear portion, because there's a separate discussion about weight distribution of the gear portion. This court has said on numerous occasions, and frankly in the CEA screenflights case, that frankly involved all of the members of this panel. That different terms mean that they have different meaning, not that they necessarily have to be different structure. In the applied medical resources case, which is cited in the brief, it says, the use of two terms in a claim requires that they can note different meanings, not that they refer to different structures. Our point is this, the cylindrical gear portion and the eccentric weight portion are two different elements. They are different elements, but they don't have to be distinct elements. In other words, the part of the degree with me that perhaps you wouldn't, I'll ask. The fact that the gear portion is eccentric and has an eccentric distribution of weight does not necessarily make the gear portion part of the eccentric weight portion. Now say that again, because I don't know. If you could have, certainly, it's not contrary to the rules of grammar, pattern, drafting or anything else, you could have a gear portion and be an eccentric weight portion. And the gear portion could have an eccentric weight structure. You could, but my question is, does this specification describe that array of structures? And Judge Lenz observation was, it does seem that that's what this specification is describing. And the fact that the specification describes a gear structure that is eccentric in its weight distribution is not an aha moment for your side. No, no, no. I think, let me go more to the physics of it, because I think there is a particular part in the specific, in the specification that might clarify that issue

. Throughout the specification, it talks about the center of gravity of the counterweight. Okay? The center of gravity of the counterweight is determined by all of the eccentric weight. Agreed? So when it talks about how you balance the weight so that you can cut the teeth. Okay? It talks about at column 8, beginning at line 29 through 32. Well, actually 28. The rat allows the counterweight to freely rotate until gravity pulls the eccentric weight portion to the lowest point. Okay? Gravity pulls the eccentric weight portion to the lowest point. Thus, the center of gravity of the counterweight and insert assembly is closest to the ground and in equilibrium position. When the eccentric weight, all of the eccentric, when the eccentric weight portion is at its lowest point, the center of gravity of the counterweight and insert assembly is at the closest point to the ground. And equilibrium position, that can only happen if all of the eccentric weight is considered with regard to the center of gravity of the counterweight. But the center of gravity of the counterweight is always going to be in equilibrium when the center of gravity is low, right? Not necessarily because in your hypothetical, if the cylindrical gear portion is somehow a skew from the eccentric weight portion, they may take it on a different line. And in fact, that's what it talks about when you first balance it. Okay? You give it to an equilibrium position and then you cut the teeth. By cutting the teeth, you may somehow move that center of gravity. Not if the teeth are cut equally all the way around here. Well, presumably if you can do it perfectly then you won't have a problem. But this describes the situation once you cut the teeth, then if you do not have the equilibrium situation that you tried to get, it says that you remove weight from the eccentric weight portion. And so you can do it until you do get it

. But will that cause the eccentric weight portion to an equilibrium position to be pulled on by gravity to its lowest point? Yes. So even if the gears are not cut equally? Well, if the gears are not cut equally, what you're doing is you're creating a new center of gravity for the counterweight. Well, as long as the gear is the, it would seem to me, as long as the allocation of weight in the gear portion is symmetrical to the allocation of weight in the, what the other side would call the eccentric weight portion. And I don't see why the equilibrium point would be changed at all. Well, it would, it would change horizontally. I mean, potentially it could be at the same point, but it could change. Well, when you say horizontally, if this is the face of the gear, and the gear is loaded down here, and the eccentric weight portion is also loaded down here in a way that puts it exactly on the same plane with the extra weight in the gear that it seems to me they both act simply to bring the thing to equilibrium at this point. When you say horizontally, do you mean in this direction or what? Well, the center of gravity is a position for the entire counterweight. Okay. So let's say this isn't loaded, and you put it on. The center of gravity is going to be pulled this direction. Right. The direction of the shaft, rotating shaft. Okay. So all I'm saying is, is if you load it, you will move it one forward or backward in the context of the shaft. Mr. Messend, the part of this best vacation we were looking at a minute ago, come on five, start on the line, this is 17 I guess. If you're really down, you pass the portions that you read

. It's talking about the eccentric weight portion 43 of the counterweight 40, which is formed in it or with the gear portion 41, extends forward from the front face 96 of the gear portion. So that's the, the eccentric weight portion is just that portion that extends forward from the front face 96. I'm sorry, I lost where you are at. Column five, yes. 9.4. Okay. So we're talking about the eccentric weight portion of the counterweight 40, which is formed in it or with the gear portion 41, extends forward from the front face 96 of the gear portion. So at that point, the eccentric weight portion is not part of the gear portion. It extends forward. It extends forward from perhaps a better terminology would have been extends beyond, but it doesn't negate the fact that it could be also in the cylindrical gear and extends forward from. Let's continue on a little bit. Just the next sentence, the gear portion 41 has a weight distribution with less weight provided by a top portion, more weight provided by a bottom portion as a result of the eccentric weight portion 43 being connected there too. So again, the weight distribution is as a result of that eccentric weight portion, which the previous sentence says extends from the face. Now, we were talking earlier about the fact that the gear itself could have an eccentric distribution of unnecessary distribution. But that doesn't come into play until a bottom column 5 starting line 51, and that paragraph talks about the apertures 110 that are drilled in the top of the gear portion so that the gear has an unbalanced weight distribution. Correct. And it refers to that as just adding to the dynamic forces on rotation, but there's no discussion in that paragraph of the fact that as a result of the apertures 110, the gear itself may be a part of the eccentric weight portion

. And it seems to me this all of these discussions are going through are consistent with the notion that independent of whatever distribution there may be and they've geared portion the eccentric weight portion is something different. That is one interpretation. And that's the interpretation of the present one. I think there are a number of reasons. Number one, in order to, first of all, the claim language does not say that. Okay. The claim language merely says that it has, that the counterweight has a cylindrical gear portion and an eccentric weight portion integral with the cylindrical gear portion. That's first. Secondly, both courts did not find a more connected to in the case of claim 6. And connected to claim in the case of 16. The, which gets interestingly to where the courts decided that that connected to meant that it contemplated a two piece device. But the second thing is that in order to read, distinct and extending from into the claim, there must be either wrong or redefining of the term specifically, which neither court found. Or there must be manifest, a manifest exclusion or restriction that it represents a clear disavowal of the eccentric weight being something other than all of the eccentric weight. Okay. Now, in this context, there are several places in the patent that talk about the eccentric weight portion, positions the center of gravity of the counterweight. The eccentric weight portion, positioning the center of gravity of the counterweight, is all of the eccentric weight determines that center of gravity. It can be found, well, let me first go to column three, lines 46 to 51, where it talks about the eccentric weight portion has dense solid metal inserts mounted therein to increase the mass of the eccentric weight portion into position. So, in this context, the center of gravity of the counterweight radially outward from the rotational axis

. Okay. It's talking about the eccentric weight with the inserts positioning the center of gravity of the counterweight, not just the eccentric weight portion, but the entire counterweight. Okay. I don't see how it gets you anywhere. That just says that if you put a big chunk of heavy metal on one side of the gear, it's going to move the center of gravity of the entire contraption out into the realm of the eccentric weight portion. Well, it doesn't seem to me to help you. So, maybe you haven't. Well, the context here is also that this is talking about the general nature of the vibratory hammer that's being played. Then farther down in that same column beginning at line 66, the drive motors rotate the counterweight at high speeds about its rotational axis, whereby the eccentric weight portions of the two counterweight generate large vertical or large vertical vibratory forces. It's talking about the vertical forces that are created by the counterweights being created by the eccentric weight portions. Now, you're almost, your time, even, you've been doubling your time, extending is almost expired. You haven't a final thought for us? The principally, the final thought, I guess, would be that claim length of two different terms describe different elements, not distinct elements. Okay. We will give you a couple of minutes of rebuttal and even though your time has expired, we'll add a couple of minutes for rebuttal. And we'll hear now from Mr. Knox in both cases. Good morning. Good afternoon, your honor. Please, as report. The judgments for the district courts of Northern District of California and the Eastern District of Virginia should be informed. I have four main points on that and I'll first hit the claim construction. Disaccords correctly outlined and then properly applied this court's president and Phillips to arrive at the ordinary and customary meeting. Mr. Knox, I don't interrupt, so I'll just jump in right at the beginning. I don't, it doesn't matter whether you do it now or at some point in your argument, but I want to hear your argument as to the application of claim 16 to the early NPSI model 500, which came up in the Bay case. I believe the California case, correct? That is correct. So you can address it now or you can take it in the ordinary courts. I will jump to it now if you would like to discuss that. The California court looked to claim 16 and decided first they went through the claim differentiation and they said that claim 19 requires integral claim 16 connected to must have something broader than integral. The court in California found that it could be joined, united or linked is what connected to it meant. As it applies to the early model 500, the court found one in California that the insert-seeming areas extends fully through both the eccentric weight portion, which she did find to be the portion extending forward from the court. The front face of the gear portion and through the gear portion where the insert that has the higher melting temperature and greater density extends into this eccentric weight portion. As far as I can see, the limitation red, I won't say red, into the claim. But what the California court understood to be entailed by the insert-seeming area is predicated on column 5 line 60 to 65. The bottom portion of the counterweight is cast having insert-seeming areas extending fully through the gear portion and fully through the eccentric weight portion 43. That is correct

. Please, as report. The judgments for the district courts of Northern District of California and the Eastern District of Virginia should be informed. I have four main points on that and I'll first hit the claim construction. Disaccords correctly outlined and then properly applied this court's president and Phillips to arrive at the ordinary and customary meeting. Mr. Knox, I don't interrupt, so I'll just jump in right at the beginning. I don't, it doesn't matter whether you do it now or at some point in your argument, but I want to hear your argument as to the application of claim 16 to the early NPSI model 500, which came up in the Bay case. I believe the California case, correct? That is correct. So you can address it now or you can take it in the ordinary courts. I will jump to it now if you would like to discuss that. The California court looked to claim 16 and decided first they went through the claim differentiation and they said that claim 19 requires integral claim 16 connected to must have something broader than integral. The court in California found that it could be joined, united or linked is what connected to it meant. As it applies to the early model 500, the court found one in California that the insert-seeming areas extends fully through both the eccentric weight portion, which she did find to be the portion extending forward from the court. The front face of the gear portion and through the gear portion where the insert that has the higher melting temperature and greater density extends into this eccentric weight portion. As far as I can see, the limitation red, I won't say red, into the claim. But what the California court understood to be entailed by the insert-seeming area is predicated on column 5 line 60 to 65. The bottom portion of the counterweight is cast having insert-seeming areas extending fully through the gear portion and fully through the eccentric weight portion 43. That is correct. That was all that I could see that the district court relied on as a basis for that construction of the insert-seeming areas. Was that portion of the specification? Is that also correct? That is correct. Except for her to point out that that was a description of the embodiment as a whole. That's the question. I mean, she seemed to view that as a description of the invention as opposed to a preferred embodiment of the invention. This is a passage and this is my question to you, really, in which there are several references to preferred embodiment. I would like you to explain why it is that this is not simply limited to a preferred embodiment disclosed in the figure. I think the court didn't lay it out specifically, so to some extent, surmising about her arriving at that conclusion that that portion wasn't into the preferred embodiment. But when the transition occurs in this specification between the description of an embodiment as a whole to the preferred embodiment, in many instances that throughout the pattern, they say in the preferred embodiment, we have x, y, z. In this case, it wasn't started with the header in the preferred embodiment. The insert-seeming area extends fully through the eccentric weight portion and fully through the geared portion. Now, this is not what the district court say. I would say there's another distinction that we could apply to the early model 500. And that is that when the patent T was prosecuting this case in the re-examination to get around the formstein, the examiner had rejected the pending claims all of them except for the method claims, including the connected two claims, based on the formstein, which was discussed in the briefs. The patent T in response to this rejection made the distinction that the invention, not, you'll use the term interval, but that the invention as a whole has an eccentric weight portion and a cylindrical geared portion, and that they are integral, i.e. they are components of a one piece. There are simply components of a one piece counterweight, and then a little bit later, this requirement of integral, i

. That was all that I could see that the district court relied on as a basis for that construction of the insert-seeming areas. Was that portion of the specification? Is that also correct? That is correct. Except for her to point out that that was a description of the embodiment as a whole. That's the question. I mean, she seemed to view that as a description of the invention as opposed to a preferred embodiment of the invention. This is a passage and this is my question to you, really, in which there are several references to preferred embodiment. I would like you to explain why it is that this is not simply limited to a preferred embodiment disclosed in the figure. I think the court didn't lay it out specifically, so to some extent, surmising about her arriving at that conclusion that that portion wasn't into the preferred embodiment. But when the transition occurs in this specification between the description of an embodiment as a whole to the preferred embodiment, in many instances that throughout the pattern, they say in the preferred embodiment, we have x, y, z. In this case, it wasn't started with the header in the preferred embodiment. The insert-seeming area extends fully through the eccentric weight portion and fully through the geared portion. Now, this is not what the district court say. I would say there's another distinction that we could apply to the early model 500. And that is that when the patent T was prosecuting this case in the re-examination to get around the formstein, the examiner had rejected the pending claims all of them except for the method claims, including the connected two claims, based on the formstein, which was discussed in the briefs. The patent T in response to this rejection made the distinction that the invention, not, you'll use the term interval, but that the invention as a whole has an eccentric weight portion and a cylindrical geared portion, and that they are integral, i.e. they are components of a one piece. There are simply components of a one piece counterweight, and then a little bit later, this requirement of integral, i.e. one piece, nature of the eccentric weight is not disclosed by the prior art that the examiner relied further. So, are you arguing then that in effect, the patent T has disclaimed claim 16, as to the extent that it is distinguished from the integral claims 1611? Not as distinguished by one six in one six in a one, as the 16 has connected, that's one six and 11 have integral, because I understand. So, what 16 contributes is the distinction between integral and connect it, which at least without more would suggest that, for example, 16 would read on something as bolded. That's correct. And you're saying, if I understand your argument, that they are giving up, they gave up claim 16, in effect, by saying integral as a necessary component of our invention. That is correct, and I just want to put it in perspective that yes, as long as one six and 11, the term integral is held to mean one piece, then yes, in 16, what they gave up, disclaimed, was a multi-piece counterweight construction for connected to. So, connected to could still be one piece, I mean I think that fits you. So, you're saying connected to has to mean integral? In that case, based on their disclaim, based on the disclaiming that they did, yes. Not an ordinary course, not in the course of without that statement, without having to get around formstein and making that admission to in order to get the patent, and to let the people in the public know that they gave up to get around formstein, it would have been able to have two pieces, more than one piece. But yes, I am saying that. But if you're saying that integral eliminates the earlier claims, aren't you also saying that the integral could not mean connected to if it's a one-piece aspect of it? Yes. So, connected to could mean one in one piece. Yes, I agree with what you're saying. Connected to means one or more pieces, integral means one piece as they've used it in this patent and they've... Because of foreign state? Because of their argument to avoid foreign state? Yes, and other statements in the patent

.e. one piece, nature of the eccentric weight is not disclosed by the prior art that the examiner relied further. So, are you arguing then that in effect, the patent T has disclaimed claim 16, as to the extent that it is distinguished from the integral claims 1611? Not as distinguished by one six in one six in a one, as the 16 has connected, that's one six and 11 have integral, because I understand. So, what 16 contributes is the distinction between integral and connect it, which at least without more would suggest that, for example, 16 would read on something as bolded. That's correct. And you're saying, if I understand your argument, that they are giving up, they gave up claim 16, in effect, by saying integral as a necessary component of our invention. That is correct, and I just want to put it in perspective that yes, as long as one six and 11, the term integral is held to mean one piece, then yes, in 16, what they gave up, disclaimed, was a multi-piece counterweight construction for connected to. So, connected to could still be one piece, I mean I think that fits you. So, you're saying connected to has to mean integral? In that case, based on their disclaim, based on the disclaiming that they did, yes. Not an ordinary course, not in the course of without that statement, without having to get around formstein and making that admission to in order to get the patent, and to let the people in the public know that they gave up to get around formstein, it would have been able to have two pieces, more than one piece. But yes, I am saying that. But if you're saying that integral eliminates the earlier claims, aren't you also saying that the integral could not mean connected to if it's a one-piece aspect of it? Yes. So, connected to could mean one in one piece. Yes, I agree with what you're saying. Connected to means one or more pieces, integral means one piece as they've used it in this patent and they've... Because of foreign state? Because of their argument to avoid foreign state? Yes, and other statements in the patent. And the prosecution or in the patent? In the patent itself, when they... we can go to that when they talk about... Talk to one piece, I thought, that we were referring only to what's referred in bottom at that point. Are you speaking of in the patent? In the patent. Well, I disagree with that to some extent because I think that you can see in the background of the invention, their first use of the term integral. They talk about their first embodiment, which is a two-piece construction. An eccentric weight, it isn't called an eccentric in the patent, it's called an eccentric weight, and a gear that is bolted together. That is the first embodiment they talk about in the prior art. Integral is not used in that term. Second embodiment they talk about in the prior art, in the background, discussing the prior art, is a solid, a no-bores, no-added weight, a solid eccentric weight. Now, that is cast with a cylindrical gear portion. And in that instance, they say that is integral with the cylindrical gear portion. So here you have a one-piece, and in that case, integral, which gives you the first indication that integral means one piece as connoted in this patent. It may not be true for other patents as the examiner or other applications, but it is true for this case

. And the prosecution or in the patent? In the patent itself, when they... we can go to that when they talk about... Talk to one piece, I thought, that we were referring only to what's referred in bottom at that point. Are you speaking of in the patent? In the patent. Well, I disagree with that to some extent because I think that you can see in the background of the invention, their first use of the term integral. They talk about their first embodiment, which is a two-piece construction. An eccentric weight, it isn't called an eccentric in the patent, it's called an eccentric weight, and a gear that is bolted together. That is the first embodiment they talk about in the prior art. Integral is not used in that term. Second embodiment they talk about in the prior art, in the background, discussing the prior art, is a solid, a no-bores, no-added weight, a solid eccentric weight. Now, that is cast with a cylindrical gear portion. And in that instance, they say that is integral with the cylindrical gear portion. So here you have a one-piece, and in that case, integral, which gives you the first indication that integral means one piece as connoted in this patent. It may not be true for other patents as the examiner or other applications, but it is true for this case. But I'm actually doing bad luck in the Frenchman of Plan 16, if you're saying that there is a difference between integral and connected to. I would be if there hadn't been a disclaimer of the multi-piece. Where is your argument about the disclaimer? I'm looking through your brief and I can't find that argument. In the brief, the particular disclaimers discussed both when we're talking about integral that there was a disclaimer that was found. Where is that? I want to take a look at that argument. The brief comes up in two places, both in the infringement aspect. Okay. We go to page 29 of our brief is where the section starts, and then we talk a little bit about the statements by the patenting on page 30. Now, there we're saying what you're saying is integral means form to a cast of one piece. Correct. But what I understood you to be saying with respect to Claim 16 is that the patenting gave up structure which is connected but not integral. Correct. What I'm looking for is where is the argument. Sure, that's a good thing. It was addressed in a footnote and not specifically, I believe, under the infringement theory. Page 39 is the summary of that. Yes. That's right

. But I'm actually doing bad luck in the Frenchman of Plan 16, if you're saying that there is a difference between integral and connected to. I would be if there hadn't been a disclaimer of the multi-piece. Where is your argument about the disclaimer? I'm looking through your brief and I can't find that argument. In the brief, the particular disclaimers discussed both when we're talking about integral that there was a disclaimer that was found. Where is that? I want to take a look at that argument. The brief comes up in two places, both in the infringement aspect. Okay. We go to page 29 of our brief is where the section starts, and then we talk a little bit about the statements by the patenting on page 30. Now, there we're saying what you're saying is integral means form to a cast of one piece. Correct. But what I understood you to be saying with respect to Claim 16 is that the patenting gave up structure which is connected but not integral. Correct. What I'm looking for is where is the argument. Sure, that's a good thing. It was addressed in a footnote and not specifically, I believe, under the infringement theory. Page 39 is the summary of that. Yes. That's right. That's simply a reference to the district court's conclusion. That's correct. But where is the argument said? There's not a specific argument that was provided about giving up when it comes to connected to. If you haven't made the argument in your brief, you can't make it for the first time here. So I think you're stuck with the argument that the description at column 5 is a description of the invention as opposed to just the preferred embodiment. And in California, that's correct because the- In the California case, that's all the truth. Okay, I'm talking about it. That's right. Because of the coincidence. And by the way, how much of the case turns on this early 500 model? Is this an insignificant case or significant part of the district? How many counterweights compared to the larger counterweights? I'm going a little bit off the top of my head. I believe there's one or maybe a very few in California that are the early model. One, maybe two. And there's more significant of the later model. That was done in 1998. And the one or two that might have been made during that time. I believe there was one in California that was used within the six-year going back period. But the more significant is the later models. Okay, going back to the eccentric weight portion or the claim construction, I believe that the- both this records followed Phillips in basically stating that, no, this is not a self-describing term as the appellants are now alleging, or that there had to be an intent to deviate

. That's simply a reference to the district court's conclusion. That's correct. But where is the argument said? There's not a specific argument that was provided about giving up when it comes to connected to. If you haven't made the argument in your brief, you can't make it for the first time here. So I think you're stuck with the argument that the description at column 5 is a description of the invention as opposed to just the preferred embodiment. And in California, that's correct because the- In the California case, that's all the truth. Okay, I'm talking about it. That's right. Because of the coincidence. And by the way, how much of the case turns on this early 500 model? Is this an insignificant case or significant part of the district? How many counterweights compared to the larger counterweights? I'm going a little bit off the top of my head. I believe there's one or maybe a very few in California that are the early model. One, maybe two. And there's more significant of the later model. That was done in 1998. And the one or two that might have been made during that time. I believe there was one in California that was used within the six-year going back period. But the more significant is the later models. Okay, going back to the eccentric weight portion or the claim construction, I believe that the- both this records followed Phillips in basically stating that, no, this is not a self-describing term as the appellants are now alleging, or that there had to be an intent to deviate. The district courts went and defined the term eccentric weight portion following what Phillips sent it to, which was first to look at the claim language, then looked at the specification, and then to the prosecution to arrive at a proper construction for the claim. They did so for eccentric weight portion. And as we discussed before as the appellant was arguing, the specification makes it very clear that the eccentric weight portion extends forward from the front face of the cylindrical gear portion. The appellants have stipulated to the meaning of a cylindrical gear portion as having a front face, a rear face, and a plurality of gear teeth around its perimeter, which if I can jump a little bit, kind of negates the argument that the gear teeth, the face, right-off the gear teeth, is where the face of the gear is, and not that little point, 031 inch extension or ridge as it goes down, because it's around its perimeter, the stipulated definition, and that seems to say the middle portions perimeter, the middle portion being the cylindrical gear portion. The district courts did the same for the term integral, as well as inter-receiving means, and following the dictates of Phillips, or these are guidelines of Phillips to arrive at these claim constructions. Have we come to a quick introduction? No, I take it that this matters because you put toastin in the gear and lead in the eccentric weight, and that is exactly correct. That is exactly correct. The tungsten in light of the patent, tungsten was placed in the gear portion for the later models, just to be absolutely correct. Not for the early 500, that's why we have a mission with respect to 35. And for the early models, the only distinction, other distinction, well, it's a slight distinction, is the number of tungsten rods in the eccentric weight portion or the eccentric, if we want to somehow keep that terminology, and the cylindrical gear portion differ so that the board doesn't extend all the way through. I'll find a little bit on the infringement, first as found by the district courts that neither infringe, because they don't have the eccentric weight portion, and really the inter-receiving area in the eccentric weight portion is required by the patent, because there is no tungsten that extends into the eccentric weight portion other than the early model. And two, that it is integral, that it's not integral, that we have a two piece bolted construction that is not consummated by at least claims 1611, and claims 16 that connected to language doesn't have the insert-receiving means as found by the California Court. Finally two. One's bolted, wasn't it one piece at that point in time? It'll function as a piece, yes, this is not going to fall off, but as the repellents or as a patent T stated in the background, and this was at the time of the invention, so it's pretty telling on how they understood the term to mean, that construction was bolted to, and that wasn't deemed to be integral. The cast counterweight was deemed to be integral, and that's really the gist of the patent, as is described in total, is a cast counterweight that has boars with tungsten in there. Would the system work as effectively when it's a two piece system, both together versus a one piece cast, because of the potential sharing of the bolts during the..

. The district courts went and defined the term eccentric weight portion following what Phillips sent it to, which was first to look at the claim language, then looked at the specification, and then to the prosecution to arrive at a proper construction for the claim. They did so for eccentric weight portion. And as we discussed before as the appellant was arguing, the specification makes it very clear that the eccentric weight portion extends forward from the front face of the cylindrical gear portion. The appellants have stipulated to the meaning of a cylindrical gear portion as having a front face, a rear face, and a plurality of gear teeth around its perimeter, which if I can jump a little bit, kind of negates the argument that the gear teeth, the face, right-off the gear teeth, is where the face of the gear is, and not that little point, 031 inch extension or ridge as it goes down, because it's around its perimeter, the stipulated definition, and that seems to say the middle portions perimeter, the middle portion being the cylindrical gear portion. The district courts did the same for the term integral, as well as inter-receiving means, and following the dictates of Phillips, or these are guidelines of Phillips to arrive at these claim constructions. Have we come to a quick introduction? No, I take it that this matters because you put toastin in the gear and lead in the eccentric weight, and that is exactly correct. That is exactly correct. The tungsten in light of the patent, tungsten was placed in the gear portion for the later models, just to be absolutely correct. Not for the early 500, that's why we have a mission with respect to 35. And for the early models, the only distinction, other distinction, well, it's a slight distinction, is the number of tungsten rods in the eccentric weight portion or the eccentric, if we want to somehow keep that terminology, and the cylindrical gear portion differ so that the board doesn't extend all the way through. I'll find a little bit on the infringement, first as found by the district courts that neither infringe, because they don't have the eccentric weight portion, and really the inter-receiving area in the eccentric weight portion is required by the patent, because there is no tungsten that extends into the eccentric weight portion other than the early model. And two, that it is integral, that it's not integral, that we have a two piece bolted construction that is not consummated by at least claims 1611, and claims 16 that connected to language doesn't have the insert-receiving means as found by the California Court. Finally two. One's bolted, wasn't it one piece at that point in time? It'll function as a piece, yes, this is not going to fall off, but as the repellents or as a patent T stated in the background, and this was at the time of the invention, so it's pretty telling on how they understood the term to mean, that construction was bolted to, and that wasn't deemed to be integral. The cast counterweight was deemed to be integral, and that's really the gist of the patent, as is described in total, is a cast counterweight that has boars with tungsten in there. Would the system work as effectively when it's a two piece system, both together versus a one piece cast, because of the potential sharing of the bolts during the... Well, this is the potential breaking problem that the patent T identified in the background of the invention, and the patent T found no way to, or at least did not disclose, any way to overcome that in the patent. So yes, the two piece might be more difficult to make, or might have had some other engineering aspects to it, to enable it to be held together in such a way that it can function as a one piece. But you're not suggesting that there's been a disavowable bolted systems, right? We argue that in the district court. But you're not arguing that here. No. But certainly yes, that is why I would say that the... All of it functions as one piece, and at times the term integral can encompass a one piece system, it doesn't in this application, or this patent based on what it says in the patent, and what it says in the prosecution history. No. Let's raise it for the book. Thank you, Mr. Metson. A couple of minutes of rebuttal. Just a couple of things. With regard to the integral argument in the prosecution history, first of all, the examiner himself in re-examination said nothing in the specification of the subject patent states that integral means one piece. And frankly, we can't see it either. Opposing Council here made reference to a sentence in column one

. Well, this is the potential breaking problem that the patent T identified in the background of the invention, and the patent T found no way to, or at least did not disclose, any way to overcome that in the patent. So yes, the two piece might be more difficult to make, or might have had some other engineering aspects to it, to enable it to be held together in such a way that it can function as a one piece. But you're not suggesting that there's been a disavowable bolted systems, right? We argue that in the district court. But you're not arguing that here. No. But certainly yes, that is why I would say that the... All of it functions as one piece, and at times the term integral can encompass a one piece system, it doesn't in this application, or this patent based on what it says in the patent, and what it says in the prosecution history. No. Let's raise it for the book. Thank you, Mr. Metson. A couple of minutes of rebuttal. Just a couple of things. With regard to the integral argument in the prosecution history, first of all, the examiner himself in re-examination said nothing in the specification of the subject patent states that integral means one piece. And frankly, we can't see it either. Opposing Council here made reference to a sentence in column one. I don't believe that sentence says that 1.45 to 48. Another trial art vibratory assembly avoids this breaking problem by using a cast one piece solid counterweight, having an eccentric weight portion integral with the cylindrical gear portion means that integral is one piece. It just happens to be that a one piece unit can have an integral cylindrical gear portion or eccentric weight portion with the gear portion. Frankly, but wasn't that your argument in order to overcome the whole state? The argument to overcome the whole horse horn steam, excuse me, horn steam was not that integral means one piece. The argument to overcome horned horn steam was that horn steam, if you'll recall, is a gear that is totally balanced. It had no eccentric weight at all. And you put weights into cavities within horned steam. The argument was that the eccentric weight portion and the insert could not be the same thing. In other words, horned steam did not have an eccentric weight portion. Frankly, we weren't arguing that the counterweight wasn't integral because horned steam is a one piece unit other than the inserts. So the argument there was with horned steam being balanced before you inserted, and it was a variable, a variable, a variable device where you could put the weights at different places and get vibration other than vertically, etc. The notion there was when you put in an insert, it's either an insert or it's an eccentric weight portion, but it can't be both. And there was no insert in the insert as required by the pattern. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr

. Counsel. Thank you